Given the number of believers there are in ivermectin, some of whom are scientifically literate, it's a bit surprising there hasn't been crowd funding for a large trial of IVM to be conducted by an independent body of top researchers. This points to an opening in the space of funding mechanisms that are out there, I think. Imagine if every person curious about IVM had been able to donate a few dollars early on easily, with just a few clicks on a website..
there’s more than enough evidence to demonstrate its effectiveness to those honestly looking at the data. At this point, i would not put money behind a trial that planned to give coronavirus patients a placebo instead of ivm, as that would be deeply unethical and likely lead to deaths.
Great writeup, thank you! I'm so sick of the anti ivermectin garbage from shills, it really just exposes how corrupt our whole medical industry is. We need new regulations to separate independent drug trial researchers from ANY kind of big pharma money, funded by taxpayers and elected positions by the people. We will just continue to get medical fraud with our current system and the revolving CDC/FDA/Big pharma door
What would make them hesitate? The possibility that it showed that Ivermectin was a fairly reliable (not 100%, but fairly good %) cure for Covid-19? I know nothing more damning than if a cure that was being promoted but whose promoters were publicly shamed and demonized, and the cure itself suppressed/deshelved as ineffective or harmful, actually turned out to have been a cheap and easy cure and end-all for the pandemic. But I think an increasing number of people are starting to suspect the machinations behind 2020 and Big Pharma's role.
Even if any treatment including ivermectin were to be shown to reduce deaths from COVID by 5% compared to the same treatment without ivermectin, that would be more than adequate reason to include ivermectin in that treatment. But, if the improvement were only 5%, you'd need an extremely large trial to get a statistically significant result.
Interestingly, he includes a forest plot with only the agreed trials. He gives the Together trial a weighting of 33%. Fonseca gets 34%, Gonzalez 10%, the rest single figures.
So obviously he believed the Together trial is very worthwhile in its current form.
Even with this weighting, his forest plot still shows a small benefit to Ivermectin
Gideon is such a hack, he openly associates with David Gorski, a man who is implicated in cancer fraud at a hospital that was misdiagnosing patients and giving them chemotherapy and went through a massive lawsuit. While he wasnt directly found guilty it would be incredible for him not to have been involved in such a massive conspiracy coverup.
Gideon manipulates and lies about ivermectin because he's a shill hack
Did you actually read the article? Because his conclusion was, 'Cannabis is good for some things, bad for others' and 'It’s not a panacea, just another drug', not that there is 'no medical use for cannibinoids'.
He didn't say that cannabis (or cannabis based products, such as CBD), can't be the basis for a therapeutic, just that it should be considered as pharmaceutical, and treated like other pharmaceutical. I'm sure that the makers of Epidiolex would agree with 'There are very serious side-effects but there is also the potential for significant benefit'.
I would consider 'There aren’t any miracle cures' to be about as widely accepted as possible these days. Don't you agree?
Basically this guy is so insane he makes multiple accounts to troll people he disagrees with in some seriously nutty ways. It's also pretty unlikely that he wasn't involved in this massive cancer fraud when he worked in the very same cancer department as this guy who got arrested, especially when you consider his bizare behavior displayed on the internet. I discovered on his website "sciencebasedmedicine" that he even does this in his comments section, I found he was using a number of fake accounts that would all respond almost immediately in the same time frame to articles from months ago that were not replies, all in the same tone and style whenever I posted legitimate scientific proof that his pseudo scientific reasoning was wrong. He has gigantic posts "proving ivermectin doesnt work" that are nothing more than tons of twitter posts...
IMO these two are paid shills by the pharma industry and their entire job is to spread lies about any cheap drug that's a threat to pharma profits, while simultaneously spreading propaganda about dangerous drugs/treatments that downplay bad effects.
Given the number of believers there are in ivermectin, some of whom are scientifically literate, it's a bit surprising there hasn't been crowd funding for a large trial of IVM to be conducted by an independent body of top researchers. This points to an opening in the space of funding mechanisms that are out there, I think. Imagine if every person curious about IVM had been able to donate a few dollars early on easily, with just a few clicks on a website..
Agreed. But keep in mind the funding needed is in the tens of millions.
there’s more than enough evidence to demonstrate its effectiveness to those honestly looking at the data. At this point, i would not put money behind a trial that planned to give coronavirus patients a placebo instead of ivm, as that would be deeply unethical and likely lead to deaths.
Great writeup, thank you! I'm so sick of the anti ivermectin garbage from shills, it really just exposes how corrupt our whole medical industry is. We need new regulations to separate independent drug trial researchers from ANY kind of big pharma money, funded by taxpayers and elected positions by the people. We will just continue to get medical fraud with our current system and the revolving CDC/FDA/Big pharma door
What would make them hesitate? The possibility that it showed that Ivermectin was a fairly reliable (not 100%, but fairly good %) cure for Covid-19? I know nothing more damning than if a cure that was being promoted but whose promoters were publicly shamed and demonized, and the cure itself suppressed/deshelved as ineffective or harmful, actually turned out to have been a cheap and easy cure and end-all for the pandemic. But I think an increasing number of people are starting to suspect the machinations behind 2020 and Big Pharma's role.
Even if any treatment including ivermectin were to be shown to reduce deaths from COVID by 5% compared to the same treatment without ivermectin, that would be more than adequate reason to include ivermectin in that treatment. But, if the improvement were only 5%, you'd need an extremely large trial to get a statistically significant result.
Together we will ignore any findings which means you won't buy more vaccines
(yep .. that basically says it all .. )
Gideon M-K has written a recent update on Ivermectin.
A link is here:
https://gidmk.medium.com/the-jury-is-still-out-on-ivermectin-7d0a1895549
Interestingly, he includes a forest plot with only the agreed trials. He gives the Together trial a weighting of 33%. Fonseca gets 34%, Gonzalez 10%, the rest single figures.
So obviously he believed the Together trial is very worthwhile in its current form.
Even with this weighting, his forest plot still shows a small benefit to Ivermectin
Weird article. Thanks for the link.
Gideon is such a hack, he openly associates with David Gorski, a man who is implicated in cancer fraud at a hospital that was misdiagnosing patients and giving them chemotherapy and went through a massive lawsuit. While he wasnt directly found guilty it would be incredible for him not to have been involved in such a massive conspiracy coverup.
Gideon manipulates and lies about ivermectin because he's a shill hack
Did he ever do a follow up to his article from 2017 that argued there was no medical use for cannibinoids?
https://observer.com/2017/06/medical-marijuana-chemotherapy-epilepsy/
This was a year before a CBD based drug for treating certain types of seizures was FDA approved.
Did you actually read the article? Because his conclusion was, 'Cannabis is good for some things, bad for others' and 'It’s not a panacea, just another drug', not that there is 'no medical use for cannibinoids'.
He didn't say that cannabis (or cannabis based products, such as CBD), can't be the basis for a therapeutic, just that it should be considered as pharmaceutical, and treated like other pharmaceutical. I'm sure that the makers of Epidiolex would agree with 'There are very serious side-effects but there is also the potential for significant benefit'.
I would consider 'There aren’t any miracle cures' to be about as widely accepted as possible these days. Don't you agree?
I'd be interested to hear more about that. Do you have a link on this info?
I bookmarked some links a while ago. Some of these are maybe not the best sources, but they do expose the kind of insane person Gorski truly is.
This was the hospital he worked at, where his colleague got busted for some very serious malpractice https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2014/09/17/cancer-doctors-fraud-investigation-widens-more-doctors-being-sued/
https://www.shiftfrequency.com/gorski-victims-get-usd8-million/
http://www.truthwiki.org/orac-david-h-gorski/
https://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html
https://www.naturalnews.com/053751_David_Gorski_conspiracy_allegations_FBI_complaint.html
Basically this guy is so insane he makes multiple accounts to troll people he disagrees with in some seriously nutty ways. It's also pretty unlikely that he wasn't involved in this massive cancer fraud when he worked in the very same cancer department as this guy who got arrested, especially when you consider his bizare behavior displayed on the internet. I discovered on his website "sciencebasedmedicine" that he even does this in his comments section, I found he was using a number of fake accounts that would all respond almost immediately in the same time frame to articles from months ago that were not replies, all in the same tone and style whenever I posted legitimate scientific proof that his pseudo scientific reasoning was wrong. He has gigantic posts "proving ivermectin doesnt work" that are nothing more than tons of twitter posts...
Anyways, the point is this gorski/orac guy is a nutcase, and Gideon openly associates with him: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/03/30/a-tale-of-two-epidemiologists/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/column-ivermectin-another-bogus-covid-treatment-becomes-a-darling-of-conspiracy-mongers/ar-AAMr54U
IMO these two are paid shills by the pharma industry and their entire job is to spread lies about any cheap drug that's a threat to pharma profits, while simultaneously spreading propaganda about dangerous drugs/treatments that downplay bad effects.
I may be missing something, but when I looked up the NCT, Ivm was in the title but not in the study design? Is it a post hoc thing? https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04727424
Have you seen this article in the nyt, apparently they have realeased more data on the Together trial. Please let us know your analysis.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03/30/world/covid-19-mandates-cases-vaccine?name=styln-coronavirus®ion=hub&block=storyline_live_updates_block_recirc&action=click&pgtype=LegacyCollection#a-large-study-finds-that-ivermectin-does-not-reduce-risk-of-covid-19-hospitalization