# TOGETHER Trial Seriously Underdosed Its Ivermectin High-BMI Patients

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*This article is part of a series on the TOGETHER trial. More articles from this series here.*

The underdosing issue in the TOGETHER trial is a lot more serious than I realized. In this article, I’ll describe my current understanding:

*[Statisticians, amateur and pro, I need your help. Further down on this article you’ll see the key questions I want to answer. Reply here or send me a DM on Twitter if you have ideas.]*

So, to start off, the TOGETHER study on ivermectin had a population that was fairly evenly split between patients with body-mass index (BMI) < 30, and patients with BMI >= 30.

# Dosing Doublespeak

In the paper, the dosing is described as 3 x 400μg/kg.

However, in the protocol that is attached to the publication, they make it clear that the dosing does not scale for weights greater than 90kg. So, someone who weighs 180kg will get something like 3 x 200μg/kg

To make sure I'm not missing something, I looked more widely. Indeed in many places, the limitation is spelled out clearly: "up to 90 kg.” Here are a few examples:

First, the protocol posted in gatesopenresearch.org:

Second, the trial’s own website:

Third, and most definitively, in the presentation made to present the result of the trial on the day the ivermectin arm was stopped:

From the released results, we can see that all the benefit of the treatment was concentrated in the <30 BMI group, which is the group that was dosed according to the description in the paper.

I looked in the protocol attached with the published paper for a justification for this weight limit, and, to my surprise, not only isn't there a justification for such a limit, but the recommendation is to dose at 3 * 400μg/kg, with no caveats. They violated their own reasoning:

In fact, as recently as last month, the authors described their rationale with no reference to the weight limit. See slides 16-20 in the presentation given to showcase the results of the study to the world.

It should be noted that ivermectin is dosed according to body weight for its approved uses, too. I've found no evidence of ivermectin dosing for any condition that scales up to a certain weight limit and not further. This limitation seems completely novel to this trial.

# BMI & Underdosing

Even our friends at the CDC have no qualms about the fact that BMI is a serious risk factor for COVID. Risk of death doubles for patients with the highest BMI:

But wait—is BMI correlated with weight? Highly:

What's more, the average adult male height in Brazil, according to Our World In Data (as of 1996), is 173.55cm.

A 30 BMI person with that height has a weight that is just over 90kg.

I realize this is a napkin sketch, but it's pretty clear that something like half the men in the trial were underdosed—some severely so—and a significant proportion of women, too. What's worse, the higher the risk due to BMI, the lower the dose they were given.

This might be understandable were it communicated clearly in the paper, and a rationale was given, but it seems that instead, the dosing is misrepresented in the paper. What's more, the authors have done some deflecting in advance, as if this is a counter-argument of any sort:

# Open Questions

Based on the above analysis, there are two questions I would like to try and answer:

With reasonable assumptions, can we estimate what the average dose that was actually administered was?

Combining with risk statistics, can we estimate the penalty on the ivermectin results that this weight limit imposed?

I look forward to your ideas on how to estimate the above, either responding to this article, or in a Twitter DM. If some of you have good ideas for approaching the problem and time to devote to it, I'm also more than willing to pay for the work needed. DM me!

Thank you in advance, DYOR Hive Mind!

*This article is part of a series on the TOGETHER trial. More articles from this series here.*

## TOGETHER Trial Seriously Underdosed Its Ivermectin High-BMI Patients

I’m a housewife and a dog rescuer but even I know to dose dogs according to weight! I would not expect mange mites to die or intestinal worms to die if I gave a reduced dose.

Assuming that you don't have the raw data, you could estimate the underdosing by using a Monte Carlo simulation, i.e. drawing a sample of 100,000 heights and weights from data of Central Brazil, and randomly pairing them to generate the probable BMI distribution along with its mean and variance, from which you could determine what portion of the patients likely weighed over 90 kg and so were underdosed.

90 kg is a low cutoff point. I am 76 kg (160 lbs), 5.11", BMI of 22.3. If I weighed 200 lbs (=90.7 kg), I would have a BMI of 27.9, about the middle of the overweight category. I have lived in Brazil and can say that BMIs over 28 are quite common there.